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Journal Entry: Wed Jul 9, 2008, 3:50 AM




:bulletred: Don't Play The Guessing Game ! :bulletred:

:bulletred: Yes, you read right, Don't Play The Guessing Game ! So what is this "Guessing Game" I am speaking of? Well, it goes a lil something like this....

  If there is one thing I see a lot of people do on DA and why is beyond me, it is NOT fill out the image description in a photograph! Honestly, in my opinion, this area is often just as important as the artwork itself. The photographs you upload here on DA are illustrative content, keep that in mind. People want to know as much as they can about a photo, things like, how it was shot, where it was shot, exposure, conditions, your personal experience when you shot it, etc. This is one area I really try my best with, because I feel as though when you can add something to the shot such as a description, you are more likely to be able to transport the viewer into the scene as a whole, and make it actually something which they can relate to. Having something like "////////////" for a description certainly does nothing to help your photo, in fact it actually detracts from it.

  People as a whole are naturally curious, it's the way humankind is. By simply taking 2 minutes out to fill in a description and giving your account of the scene, you are able to capture someone's attention a whole lot more. Especially when you go a lil more in-depth with the description. A killer shot of a mountain scene for instance, with just the name of the peaks, does little other than name it. Ask yourself what was the light like, what was it getting there to shoot it, what was your reaction when you first saw the scene, who was with you, why did you decide to capture it, what grabbed your attention, and what did you experience while shooting it?

  When taking such things into account, one goes beyond a simple photograph, and enters in to a real world illustrative image, that actually helps the viewer understand and appreciate it even more so!

---John

ps--Wanna  hear something strange? Remember I wrote that journal about how comments and favs on my work took a severe plunge? Get this--it seems more than 40 + watchers have dropped off and stopped watching me in the last 2 weeks....hmm...glitch ...wanna bet v6 upgrades anyone!?!?!




:star: 50 Megapixel Kodak Sensor--- Gee, I wonder what the noise level is on THAT!

:star: Hasselblad H3DII-31 Now $17,995!!!!--- A massive price cut, but still most of us would have to sell our first born and ALSO ron the local 7-11. Oh well, hey! My bday is in 2 mos! lol

:star: Getty & Flickr!?!?--- Ummm I need to read this yet but if this is WHAT i THINK it is, I suggest those of you who are take their shooting seriously, better get your ass a Flickr account, like NOW!!!

:star: RIPPED or Imitation?!?--- You be the judge, this one is good!

:star: 10 Tips For Urban Photography--- A really good article

:star: Tips And Tricks Photography PDF Magazine issue 9 is OUT!--- Without a doubt, one of the very best online mags period! Get it by clicking the magazine name here!



Snail On The Move by DG-Photo I don't mind by AntiBling :thumb89109068:

Conspiracy by 0ry0n :thumb90683429: You again by lAliusl

daisies by whaeah Ride there by mysterious-one Here I Am by reflectorheart

:thumb62573620: :thumb89211423: Down At The Condom Shack by PaulMcKinnon

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:bulletred: Previous Important Journals :bulletred:


:bulletred: I've Been Interviewed!--- an interview with yours truly by LadyAnubis

:bulletred: What IS a GOOD photo?---Examining what exactly IS a great photo and what makes one.

:bulletred: What IS a beautiful photo?--- A serious look at what makes a beautiful photo and how some people on DA are hell bent against it!

:bulletred: So You Wanna Sell Your Art?!?!?--- Exploring one way of making $ with your art that many have come to do!

:bulletred: 25 Cent Fortunes--- How Microstock Photographers are rolling in the cash and how you should be, too!

:bulletred: When Are Photos Like Penny Stocks? --When They Sell!!--- An inside look at the business of Microstock and Photography.

:bulletred: Murphy's Law of Photography--- Because whatever can happen often will happen!

:bulletred: Creative Commons is BAD for Photography!!!---

:bulletred: A Heated Photography Debate--- Exploring the morals and ethics in "is it ever wrong to take a picture??"

:bulletred: An Open Letter to The DA Administration--- My not so candid thoughts on making this site better.

:bulletred: My HDR Workflow--- An examination of how I use HDR in my photos.

:bulletred: Why RAW Works!--- If You aren't shooting in RAW, you sure as hell should be!

:bulletred: Let's Talk Marketing Your Photos--- Examining different ways to get your work seen and sold.

:bulletred: Marketing Your Images, pt2--- The second installment on marketing your work.

:bulletred: Let's Talk About Keywording--- Making keywording in your images work for you!
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:highfive: Some Of The Artist's I Admire ;) :highfive:

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StarTyger Featured By Owner May 5, 2009
I think the point I would make
(actually 2 points - forgive me :) )
is that so many of your watchers
wish to do things in a professional manner
which would probably include getting
images published or exhibited.
Would they really expect to get far with an editor
if their image description was just ///// or ... ???
I think submitting an image on dART
deserves, at least, an effort to approach
some informational standard.

Additionally, I think it is very important
to know what you are photographing
as this, in itself, will make one better.
Thus, I don't just photograph THE Grand Canyon,
I photograph Vishnu Temple or the Tower of Ra.
Knowing details allows one to compose
images around these details -
and one can learn these details
by forcing themselves to write
decent descriptions of their images.
Consequently, when I post an image,
I usually am fairly explicit about what the viewer sees.
Naturally, I hope the viewer
spends more time looking than reading.
Nonetheless, even a concise "dry" description
can do a lot to enhance anyone's images.


Thank you for addressing this topic.
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner May 5, 2009  Professional Photographer
words wisely said! I agree!
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TayMetal Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2009
Oh yea, that bugs me too. I feel very off put when there's no description and sometimes it makes me feel like the person didn't even take the photo.
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2009  Professional Photographer
:) U said it!
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rachapunk Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
I'd have to agree..
A good description or backstory can hugely enhance an image that was only mediocre to be fav-worthy..

I've seen plenty of fairly uninteresting images that have elevated to DD status because an amazing description pulls everything together and makes you look back at the image a few more times.

I usually try to make sure I at least have something down... though I could be much better about that :P

But then again, sometimes mysterious silence can be the most powerful.
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Saint-Gut-Free Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2008
here at dA, i'm not big on giving descriptions nor am i big on reading them. people ask questions, i answer.

btw, you were dropped due to all the verbage you spewed forth with regards to the exclusion of HDR in a contest.
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kkart Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2008  Professional Photographer
well description I feel work well and also, the descriptions themselves are also included in Google search!

Well if you wanna drop me feel free to. I speak my mind and if people don't wanna listen that is their choice! However I stand by what I said and I do view it as an elitist issue, brought on by someones sheer hatred for a technique, which locks out plenty of people. I stick up for people and when I feel something is wrong I voice that concern. You gotta have a voice or you are nothing but a shadow in the masses. The mere fact that contest includes every other technique including IR, Grad NDs, and so forth, all but HDR, says it all. If you bothered to read his comments in his journal on how to get a HDR look using PS that simulates a Grad ND you would see exactly what I am talking about.
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Saint-Gut-Free Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2008
on dA, i particularly don't take things so seriously, whether it's descriptions ... or rules of contests.
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sandwedge Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2008  Professional Photographer
As soon as I started adding more key words I began to get random visits from all over the place.
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2008  Professional Photographer
:nod: See what I mean! IT WORKS!
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snwgames Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
I agree that descriptions are important. But I often have trouble writing them too. I hardly leave it empty though. And I can't recall putting nonsense in there instead. :)

Btw I enjoyed the news articles you shared in this one too!
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2008  Professional Photographer
well thank you very much! Yes it is important, and I just wish more would do it
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kritic2 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2008
:clap: Thank you for sounding off on the artists comments box! Though I'm not always thorough with my descriptions-I love reading good narration! It SO adds to the depth of the photo! :w00t:
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2008  Professional Photographer
:) Must be done!
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jadeoracle Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
I don't give as much detail as you do to my description, but I always put something there. Usually I take a lot of thought in the naming of my picture, so the description either explains or builds upon the meaning of the piece. Sometime's I'll throw in personal thoughts as well.
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ibjennyjenny Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2008  Professional Photographer
This was too funny, as you probably know, I do the the little .. thing quite a bit in the Artist's Comment box so when I read this I was like uh oh! Then, last night, I was searching DA for features for the news article and I will tell you what, I get it. I was trying to find fire deviations from the actual fire that is burning right now but it was difficult without a description on many of them to figure out where the photo was even taken. Because of the current fires, many people are posting shots of wildfires, I passed on many good photographs because of little info.
I will do better from now on, you are right, the Artist's Comments and the photograph really do go hand in hand, thanks teacher, you know we really do learn from you.
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dialac1 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008
you are totally right...sometimes, i REALLY REALLY try to write about a picture but i leave it blank for people to give it their definition and interpret it the way they like, on the other hand, you suggested writing about the jourrney to the place the shot was taken, dats a good idea that i NEVER considered!!!
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2008  Professional Photographer
:) Yep, gotta be done!
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Spamkiller Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree! :clap: :clap: :clap:

I so enjoy when people take time to write a short description of their work, expecially if it's a photograph! :)
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2008  Professional Photographer
:) If anything it helps!
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Spamkiller Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And most times it's really interesting. :)
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Alex37 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
Art should speak for itself so I mostly disagree with what you are saying.
Whilst I do provide a brief description, usually of the pace, sometimes how I got the shot, I dont want my work to be defined by my technique. I dont want people to analyse my technique, I want them to comment on the photo. It might be curiousity for other people to know my technique, but to me its tedious and its information they can find out with google.

Alex
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kkart Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
Art should speak for itself

It should but at the same time why not enlighten people and highlight it with why you clicked the shutter, your personal experience when shooting it, where it was taken at, etc. It certainly can't hurt can it? And humans are curious by nature
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kayla-silvercat Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008
In my opinion, pictures and photos shouldn't always need words to help express it. Sometimes I don't leave a description because I want the person looking at it to find his own meaning in it.

Other times I will add a quote or a small description if it helps get across a specific theme.

Whenever I do landscapes or waterscapes or cityscapes, I always put in the description where it was taken.
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kkart Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
Humans are curious by nature, and one thing that I have found is that people really want to know more about a capture, what you saw in it that made you click a shutter, what you found interesting. Granted you don't need to write a book, and some will say that the pic should speak for itself, sure, but you want to make it so people don't HAVE to ask a question about a shot, because generally they won't and a lot come away feeling empty after viewing a shot that has no description. Think of it as....silent films vs. modern movies.
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kayla-silvercat Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008
I don't feel empty. I make of it what I will and I enjoy it for what it is. I can always appreciate a picture that fires my imagination.

Of course, I wouldn't think to change your ways. =)
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
I think though you may be a rare case :)
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ariseandrejoice Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
Thanks John - I often slip into a quiet place where there are few words... and so my descriptions are very erratic... but I respond very well to encouragement and you have made a great point! I'll accept the challenge and step it up now - with the added benefit of quieting that nagging feeling like I was neglecting something... :)
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
:) Awesome deal!
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MuseSusan Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2008
You're absolutely right. For me, looking at a photo (or any other piece of art, for that matter) is more than just admiring the image and the technique--I want to know what was going on in the photographer's mind, where it was taken, what story is involved in the taking. (A lot of my artist's comments involve some story about the embarassing or uncomfortable positions I get into while trying to get the shot.) When an artist doesn't take the opportunity to share even a little about the image, I feel less interested in it, and less likely to give any kind of feedback.
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kkart Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
:) And that is just what I am saying! You echoed my thoughts precisely!
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FaMz Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2008  Professional General Artist
:) I agree with you on everything...it takes away from the image when the artist doesn't say much about their piece, I like when its engaging...and I always like to share my experience, so I most always fill in the comments and I like reading yours too
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
:) You said it!
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noobkilljoy Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2008
I totally agree with you. I think a major part of what makes a great photo, is the story behind the photo, and when I see a fantastic photo, and want to know as much as I can about how they took it etc. It's very disappointing to see "...".
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
:) You said it!
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fubecando Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008
i agree. I wish more people would save their EXIF data! ...its easy people. don't use the "save for web and devices" tab but just downsize and save it manually...PLEASE!
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2008  Professional Photographer
Amen to that!
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closer-to-heaven Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008   Photographer
I've experienced the same.. I have a bad feeling I've lost hundreds of watchers in recent months.. I blame a bug.. but who knows.. :shrug:

Some have come to add me again though..
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kkart Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Professional Photographer
odd isn't it?
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closer-to-heaven Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008   Photographer
Oooops.. I am such a slacker.. I don't give a lot of information.. :blushes:

One reason is that I'm sooooo tired of writing everything in English.. ^^;
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kkart Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Professional Photographer
ya that I imagine is a task!
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KellyManaghan Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Hobbyist General Artist
Good point! I agree with you! ;)
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Professional Photographer
:hug:
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nemeziz Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Hobbyist Photographer
Great feature!
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Professional Photographer
well ty!
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ladyrapid Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Professional Photographer
Coulden't have said it better myselsf. Description is what beat is for music, jus don't really work without it :D.
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:iconkkart:
kkart Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Professional Photographer
good point!
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reflectorheart Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008
Crap John, if I lost 40 watchers, I'd be into the negative watcher area (by a lot)! Of course, I'm not putting up much work, so that could explain it. D'oh!

Thanks so much for YOUR support and for the feature! I can always tell when you feature me ~ I get a few new favs out of the blue from it! You're such a doll! :iconredbullglompplz: :heart:
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kkart Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2008  Professional Photographer
well ty and it is also well deserved, awesome shot!
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Sun-Seeker Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2008
a good reminder johno...gack...I am agreeing with you :blush:
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